/lit/ - Literature

>>22873125
They keep showing up so I can't just ignore them.

>>22873132
what do you like about them?

>>22873132
>They keep showing
where?

>>22873149
smile, you're on one of them now

For me it was wallowing in the liberal end times that turned me against nature and towards something better.

>>22873125
I read a good chunk of it some years ago and enjoyed it. It is rare to find works with such comprehensiveness in subject matter and also maintain quality throughout the process.

>>22873221
what was your favorite work?

>>22873125
I was and am really into the Transcendentalists, then found out they were all heavily inspired by German Idealism and naturally dove right in

>>22873502
Probably Hegel's Lectures on Fine Art. How about yourself?

>>22873539

>>22873532
nice good job anon

>>22873556
Do you do horoscopes on the side or is this your day job?

>>22873572
I don't do horoscopes

CROWLEY WAS A GERMAN IDEALIST

LIBER OS VEL ABYSMI VEL DAATH

https://www.astrumargenteum.org/library/liber-os-vel-abysmi/

>>22873576
It doesn't look like German Idealist material to me and I can't say I've any interest in joining a cult but if you are trying to recruit anons then best of luck.

MANY FALL INTO GERMAN IDEALISM; ONLY THE UNDELUDED GET OUT OF IT.

>>22873631
>It doesn't look like German Idealist material


>Speculative truth, it may also be noted, means very much the same as what, in special connection with religious experience and doctrines, used to be called Mysticism.

>>22873650
>MANY FALL INTO GERMAN IDEALISM
lol not even

>Philosophy is, by its very nature, something esoteric, neither made for the vulgar as it stands [für sich], nor capable of being got up to suit the vulgar taste

>>22873654
Didn't he also say something to the effect that if Mysticism was left to its own devices it would become absent of any thought and hold reason captive in the same remark?

>>22873657


YOUR IDEALISTIC PHILOGERMANIC CEREBRAL PARASITE IS PRECLUDING YOU FROM REALIZING YOUR CONFLATION OF PHILOSOPHY WITH GERMAN IDEALISM.

>>22873665
no he said speculative logic makes explicit what mysticism leaves implicit

>there is mystery in the mystical, only however for the understanding which is ruled by the principle of abstract identity; whereas the mystical, as synonymous with the speculative, is the concrete unity of those propositions which understanding only accepts in their separation and opposition.

>>22873671
>YOUR CONFLATION OF PHILOSOPHY WITH GERMAN IDEALISM.
NEIN YOUR IGNORANCE OF GERMAN IDEALISM PREVENTS YOU FROM SEEING IDENTITY OF PHILOSOPHY AND GERMAN IDEALISM

>the opposition of idealistic and realistic philosophy has no significance. A philosophy which ascribed veritable, ultimate, absolute being to finite existence as such, would not deserve the name of philosophy

>>22873125
I delved into German Idealism at a young age but soon dismissed it as untenable, largely for reasons akin to the Speculative Realist critique of correlationism. Being, in my view, is a dynamic process that infiltrates from the external to the internal, allowing us to construct internal models for predicting and understanding the external world, with the aim of achieving conformity and reducing errors. Transcendental Idealism, however, is utterly fallacious. The "noumenon" is not distinct but part of an interpenetrating, continuous process that manifests multimodally in its phenomenal form.

Process Philosophers like Giles Deleuze, Henri Bergson, Alfred North Whitehead, and many others are closer to the truth.

>>22873675
>Speculative truth, it may also be noted, means very much the same as what, in special connection with religious experience and doctrines, used to be called Mysticism. The term Mysticism is at present used, as a rule, to designate what is mysterious and incomprehensible: and in proportion as their general culture and way of thinking vary, the epithet is applied by one class to denote the real and the true, by another to name everything connected with superstition and deception.

On which we first of all remark that there is mystery in the mystical, only however for the understanding which is ruled by the principle of abstract identity; whereas the mystical, as synonymous with the speculative, is the concrete unity of those propositions which understanding only accepts in their separation and opposition. And if those who recognise Mysticism as the highest truth are content to leave it in its original utter mystery, their conduct only proves that for them too, as well as for their antagonists, thinking means abstract identification, and that in their opinion, therefore truth can only be won by renouncing thought, or as it is frequently expressed, by leading the reason captive.

>>22873711
i know that anon. I read it religiously. He's literally saying what I just said

>>22873125
my 19th century philosophy class + my interest in marxism (and thus hegel and to a lesser extent kant)

>>22873721
So you agree that you are absent of thought and hold your own reason captive?

I heard Hegel had an answer to "you don't really know/experience anything of the real world bro, just the image your mind makes of it. Reality is the noumena."

Six years working through the Phenomenology and Greater Logic, and thousands of pages of commentary and background reading later, I think I finally, sorta get it.

>>22873729
wtf are you talking about retard? You only hold reason captive when you do not push thought to unravel the mystery. Mysticism is still true. It is the exact same truth except speculative logic dares to use reason to linguistically express it in the terminology of logic and metaphysics instead of non-discursive symbolism, i.e., myth, allegory, metaphor, etc.

>>22873753
Then clearly you have not read much since what I said is taken directly from The Encyclopedia of Philosophical Sciences, the Logic further defined and divided section 82. I will quote it again since you didn't read my previous post either.
>And if those who recognise Mysticism as the highest truth are content to leave it in its original utter mystery, their conduct only proves that for them too, as well as for their antagonists, thinking means abstract identification, and that in their opinion, therefore truth can only be won by renouncing thought, or as it is frequently expressed, by leading the reason captive.

>>22873711
it’s not renouncing thought, it’s holding the position that thought isn’t everything. it’s not leading reason captive, its simply that the rational mind can’t comprehend all there is to comprehend, that other devices in man given to us by our creator, such as heart, gut, feeling, intuition, are too often forgotten as a factor by philosophers, when in reality are part of the essence which makes us human.
for example, is culture rational? is a society having shared values rational? maybe, but when added the element of mysticism, we have a new moral imperative, because man realizes his actuality that doing the best for himself & community is in his best interest, as these things are included in the new motif which makes him WANT to serve god. not because he’s forced, but because he wants to at a spirit level. does this supersede rationality? hardly.
no, most mystics have other reasons for their practices, but if their practices can be argued for the bettering of society, how are they less rational?

>>22873684


GERMAN IDEALISM IS «PROTESTANTISTIC» HERETICAL SECTS, KANTIAN AUTOMATISM, HERDERIAN CULTURISM, HEGELIAN SPIRITISM, MARXIAN CLASSISM, NIETZSCHEAN BARBARISM; FREUDIAN SEXISM, JUNGIAN PSYCHOLOGISM, HERZLIAN ZIONISM, VONLISTEAN GERMANISM, EUROPEISTIC CAROLINGIANISM, ATHEISTIC GLOBALISM: GERMAN IDEALISM HAS BEEN BEING A BANE UPON THE WORLD SINCE THE XVIII CENTURY.

>>22873684


GERMAN IDEALISM IS «PROTESTANTISTIC» HERETICAL SECTS, KANTIAN AUTOMATISM, HERDERIAN CULTURISM, HEGELIAN SPIRITISM, MARXIAN CLASSISM, NIETZSCHEAN BARBARISM; FREUDIAN SEXISM, JUNGIAN PSYCHOLOGISM, HERZLIAN ZIONISM, VONLISTEAN GERMANISM, EUROPEISTIC CAROLINGIANISM, ATHEISTIC GLOBALISM: GERMAN IDEALISM HAS BEEN BEING A BANE UPON THE WORLD SINCE THE XVI CENTURY.

>>22873761
absolute retard. Imao I know where it's from and I just told you what it means.

>>22873772
Filtered. Stick to the horoscopes kiddo, you'll pass for a post menopausal female in no time.

>>22873774
>Filtered
unreal levels of ironic. and yet, you, being the pseud that you are, provide no actual rebuttal to what I just told you that passage means.

>>22873771
Hey cum genius why did you learn so much about cum

>>22873787
I don't care about your religious cope or whether you choose to be a slave to some god because you want to be one you pathetic bitch. Your attempted explanation is too far removed from the text and is basically a justification for your lack of thought and reason which reinforces the quoted text. Stick to the horoscopes.

>>22873804
>Your attempted explanation is too far removed from the text and is basically a justification for your lack of thought and reason which reinforces the quoted text.
lmfao and yet STILL you give no rebuttal except "it doesn't mean that ok".

>>22873804
>basically a justification for your lack of thought and reason which reinforces the quoted text.
absolute fuckwit I literally just told you the text is saying to push thought to unravel the mystery. at this point you have to be trolling.

>>22873828
>>22873844
>And if those who recognise Mysticism as the highest truth are CONTENT TO LEAVE IT IN ITS ORIGINAL UTTER MYSTERY, their conduct only proves that for them too, as well as for their antagonists, thinking means abstract identification, and that in their opinion, therefore TRUTH CAN ONLY BE WON BY RENOUNCING THOUGHT, or as it is frequently expressed, BY LEADING THE REASON CAPTIVE.

Stick to the horoscopes, you can be as wrong as you want all the time and every time kiddo.

>>22873763
>it’s holding the position that thought isn’t everything. it’s not leading reason captive, its simply that the rational mind can’t comprehend all there is to comprehend
that literally the opposite that it's saying. If you actually read Hegel you'd know reality is rational and capable of being understood rationally even if at this moment in time is unable to. The mystic sees the truth intuitively but leaves it in its raw conceptually dark intuition with out trying to understand it whereas the speculative logician dares to bring that truth out of that darkness into the light of clear and distinct concepts and rational necessary connection in system of thought. The truth is the same except the speculative logician dares to do or is capable to do what the mystic does not dare to do or is incapable to do: attempt to communicate the truth in scientific/rational-systematic (wissenschaftlich) form.

>>22873866
dotard you cannot fucking read, he is saying the MYSTIC does not pursue thought further to elucidate the truth of mysticism, NOT that mysticism is not true you retarded monkey, but the part you refuse to, or more likely cannot understand since you are a babboon, is that the speculative logician DOES attempt this because he knows reality is rational and the truth the mystic leaves in obscurity CAN be rationally and scientifically communicated.

>>22873905
I already agreed that you lack thought and reason and said to stick to the horoscopes. So we are in agreement that you have no further points to elucidate since this would require that you try to divine some truths from your mystic cult tome then?

>>22873919
>So we are in agreement that you have no further points to elucidate since this would require that you try to divine some truths from your mystic cult tome then?
rotfl this is what you're resorting to now? gtfo you sorry ass mental midget

>>22873125
>German Idealism
>Austrian painting

joycenonces are worse.

>>22873928
You were the one who tried to quote Hegel.

>>22873958
>tried
as if one has to try lmao: I did. I even told you what it meant. Go back to the kiddie table.

>>22873963
You did quote it and completely missed the point, which only counts as a try.

>>22873969
>completely missed the point,
you keep saying this, but can't say what that point is.

>>22873969
>You did quote it
yes peanutbrain. I DID. I can't believe we are having this conversation. I didn't try to quote it, I did. The explanation is distinct dodobird.

>>22873974
>>22873983
Hegel filters many. Those filtered masses are free to pursue the mysteries mysticism has to offer.

>>22874021
>Hegel filters many
yes. A prime example being yourself.

>>22874025
Then prove Hegel wrong and tell us some truths contained in your cult book.

>>22874052
LMAO I am not trying to prove Hegel wrong midwit. I AM SAYING HE IS RIGHT. That book is just a work that presents a system of mystical PRACTICE that get's you to that same truth Hegel scientifically arrives at through thought and communicates discursively Same truth difference means. I just posted it for the lols but for some reason it's mere existence triggered you. seek help.

>>22874079
Then tell me what that truth is if you are the smart one here.