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[Anonymous No.23082442]

>The Christian doctrine that man is by nature evil is loftier than the opposite that he is naturally good, and is to be interpreted philosophically in this way. Man as spirit is a free being, who need not give way to impulse. Hence in his direct and unformed condition, man is in a situation in which he ought not to be, and he must free himself. This is the meaning of the doctrine of original sin, without which Christianity would not be the religion of freedom.
-Philosophy of Right section 18

[Anonymous No.23082447]

>>23082442
Man isn't inherently good or evil, we're just animals with abnormal self-awareness.

[Anonymous No.23082453]

>>23082442
refuted by evolution. Having multiple desires is not proof of freedom. It just means you have multiple desires. It’s not magic. Sometimes our brains find it most pleasurable to sin, other times we find it more pleasurable to do the hard choice. But ultimately we are not in control of what we desire, or else we would never sin at all. You are a slave to desires, and unfortunately our desires are mostly based on a primitive environment. Without our developed intellect, we would not be able to simulate future outcomes and be drawn to delayed gratification. This is why dumb people tend to be more impulsive and sinful. It is not a matter of “freedom.” It is all genetics.

[Anonymous No.23082459]

>>23082453
facts

[Anonymous No.23082464]

>>23082453
Did the Jew Harari write your pic/comment?

[Anonymous No.23082470]

>>23082442
>my desire for freedom from impulses is somehow not impulse related
lol what a pseud

[Anonymous No.23082477]

>>23082453
>our brains
What part of man as spirit did you not understand?

[Anonymous No.23082501]

>>23082464
I don’t know who that is, but I wrote it, and I’m not a jew. Anyway, please explain to me how obesity or porn addictions or adultery were a huge problem 40,000 years ago when we were hunter-gatherers. Of course the answer is that these sins were virtually non-existent. Porn, for example, is unnatural, and takes advantage of a man’s sensitivity to sexual imagery, which naturally excites him. This is good in a primitive environment, but not in a society where sexual imagery is available with a few clicks. It’s clear that we are not designed to thrive in this society, we are still evolving, but society evolves much faster.

[Anonymous No.23082506]

>>23082477
there’s no proof of “spirit.” In fact the word spirit literally means breath, which of course we understand as being physical.

[Anonymous No.23082515]

>>23082506
>there’s no proof of “spirit"
kek

[Anonymous No.23082537]

>>23082515
>blah blah blah
If you want to prove free will and spirit, then be perfect. Ignore all your sinful impulses for a year and always make the right choice. You won’t. You can’t.

[Anonymous No.23082545]

>>23082537
>>blah blah blah
ngmi

[Anonymous No.23082548]

>>23082545
If you want to prove free will and spirit, then be perfect. Ignore all your sinful impulses for a year and always make the right choice. You won’t. You can’t.

[Anonymous No.23082556]

>Hence in his direct and unformed condition

I don't get it

[Anonymous No.23082558]

>>23082453
>performative contradiction

There is apodictic good, bad (and evil).

[Anonymous No.23082559]

>>23082558
yes, organisms evolve to label things good and bad. This is obvious.

[Anonymous No.23082561]

>>23082548
>If you want to prove free will and spirit, then be perfect.
nope. I simply have to postulate my freedom. And no amount of empirical argument can refute me because freedom is a metaphysical concept not an emprical one.

[Anonymous No.23082563]

>>23082442
Rent free, atheistlets and paganlets. Rent free forever, because Christ is King and there is nothing you can do about it.

[Anonymous No.23082565]

>>23082563
did-- did you even actually read OP?

[Anonymous No.23082567]

>>23082453
Evolution is a LARP (and a bad one). "It's all genetics." KEK! Filtered. Atheists always get filtered. Your brain always stops thinking too soon.

[Anonymous No.23082587]

>>23082556
>nobody spoonfed me

brutal

[Anonymous No.23082607]

>>23082567
> Your brain always stops thinking too soon.
If only I had better genetics

[Anonymous No.23082609]

You're just a bunch of synapses and chemicals, bro. It's not hard.

[Anonymous No.23082926]

Isnt this contrary to literally all Christian teaching since forever

[Anonymous No.23082932]

>>23082453
All desire is aimed towards a particular good which exists only in respect to The Good. The Good exists in virtue of God, hence all desires are aimed towards God. It is only in weakness of will or ignorance of good that we seek what is less than God

[Anonymous No.23082942]

>>23082559
This implies intention as a feature of nature, which evolution as a mechanistic phenomenon cannot explain

[Anonymous No.23082958]

>>23082932
no, good is just that which we associate with pleasant feelings. Pretty simple. Other animals also have ideas of good and bad.
>>23082942
strawman. Nature doesn’t intend tor things to happen, but with evolution, certain traits are so advantageous that it makes sense for them to evolve. It’s like saying “a house of cards will eventually become a mess.” It doesn’t intend to become a mess, it’s just a likely outcome. Organisms are likely to evolve feelings of pleasure/joy/etc. which they label “good” for things that increase chances of survival and reproduction. Organisms that DONT have such perceptions will not care so much and will die out. Your strong convictions of good and evil as being absolute, objective things is literally the result of evolution. You MUST believe that it is beyond and above you, because this gives the idea more power in your mind. And you are unable to see the illusion. It’s quite funny

[Anonymous No.23082967]

>>23082453
>I am an evolved monkey. I am a brain and not a soul, saith the atheist.
Speak for yourself. By the way Hegel rejected evolution. It's a grotesque self contradictorybtheory

[Anonymous No.23082968]

>>23082958
>good is just that which we associate with pleasant feelings
Proof???
>Nature doesn’t intend tor things to happen
Nope. You said intention exists, making it a real feature of nature.
> It doesn’t intend to become a mess, it’s just a likely outcome
And it's likely for no reason whatsoever? You're gonna give me that Humean nonsense about there being no necessary connection between cause and effect? That things happen predictably proves telos.
>Your strong convictions of good and evil as being absolute, objective things is literally the result of evolution
Refuted by the evolutionary argument against naturalism. If my cognitive functions are merely a product of survival instinct then they do not exist to produce a real truth value, which puts the initial proposition into contradiction.
Naturalists are so boring.

[Anonymous No.23082969]

>>23082447
bro like. we're all just monkeys living on a rock in space spinning around.

[Anonymous No.23082984]

>>23082967
> Speak for yourself
So you agree I have no soul? Good.
>>23082968
> Proof???
Name a single good thing that doesn’t arouse some positive reaction within you. Also, suppose that you had no emotions or desires whatsoever. Then why would you call anything good? Nothing would make a difference. You can’t even define good without vague nonsense like “muh Good is based in God n shiet”
> Nope. You said intention exists, making it a real feature of nature.
desperate cope has started. I didn’t say that. I literally just said that they evolve to have certain features. This just means that they change over time. If I say that volcanoes erupt does this imply intention? Jesus Christ. Are you brown??
> If my cognitive functions are merely a product of survival instinct then they do not exist to produce a real truth value, which puts the initial proposition into contradiction.
LMAO. The true sign of a brainlet. What contradiction are you talking about? If your brain evolved to help you survive, then it evolved to help you survive. We trust the brain because it works and continues to help us survive. Pretty simple.

[Anonymous No.23082989]

>>23082984
>If your brain evolved to help you survive, then it evolved to help you survive
To survive but not know objective reality or truth. Ergo, a brain being the product of evolution cannot be trusted to have any knowledge at all. Which if we assert is true puts us into contradiction.
All your other counter arguments are refuted by teleology. I gave you lots to study, enjoy learning bro <3

[Anonymous No.23082998]

>>23082989
> Which if we assert is true puts us into contradiction.
I wouldn’t assert it as objectively true though. I would just interpret it as a statement which my brain finds to be useful. My brain is structured the way it is purely because its adaptations allowed my ancestors to survive. And the same is true for my beliefs that I have acquired throughout my life. They have given me success so I will keep using them. You see, you people are so buried in the illusion of objective truth that you project this belief onto me, and pretend that I say something like “it is objectively true that there is no objective truth.” Truth is subjective, including this truth which my brain finds useful. You don’t have to agree with me. There wouldn’t be a contradiction there. You can have your truth, and I can have mine, because we are different organisms. You clearly need to deny evolution to make sense of the world, whereas I rely on evolution. Who is right? Well, that can’t actually be determined, except by… natural selection.

[Anonymous No.23083094]

>>23082926
um what Christianity are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.23083107]

>>23082556
context clues anon. He means embodied man as yet unconscious of his spiritual nature.

[Anonymous No.23083116]

>>23082447
>>23082969
this is your brain on reddit

[Anonymous No.23083345]

>>23082984
>If I say that volcanoes erupt does this imply intention?

Yes, of course.

[Anonymous No.23083400]

>>23082442
>that man is by nature evil
evil in Christianity isn't "just common evil", its that + not sucking G*d off at every opportunity

[Anonymous No.23083576]

>>23082967
>By the way Hegel rejected evolution
LOL what a moron. schopenhauer was right for calling him a flat-headed illiterate charlatan.

[Anonymous No.23083607]

>>23083576
Schopenhauer got filtered by both Kant and Hegel and seethed about it for decades.