/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16073486
What about year-round ice? I'm sure that's a better indicator of arctic stability.

>>16073486
i don't think you understand how this works. more greenhouse gasses means more energy flows through the atmosphere. more energy flow also means more water vapor which gets deposited all over the world, including the arctic. the problem is all that ice is going to melt by the years end even if it was more by the end of the year it's going to be less. screenshot this

>>16073494
the arctic is melting. notice the oscillations around the average are more pronounced and that's going to continue getting worse as global warming takes off

>>16073501
I mean, that is what we would expect if ice were quickly melting/reforming.

>>16073506
that's correct. global warming doesn't mean less ice in the arctic. more energy is trapped in the system so everything is worse, this includes winters, droughts, storms, tornadoes, and any other type of dynamic weather event like atmospheric rivers. there is more water vapor everywhere and water is also a greenhouse gas so everything is going to get more and more extreme

>small uptick in ice
>AAAAHHHHHHHH WE'RE SAVED!!!
>now get back to consooooming my oil and coal!

>sea ice

>>16073486
We should ship that ice to Antarctica. It could use it.

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

Antarctica is shitting itself.

>>16073500
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. More is less.

>>16073548
Lol, total antarctic sea ice mass is 23,380,000 gigatons.

>>16073584
That's a graph of land ice Anon.

>>16073588
I just looked at several NOAA and NASA websites and none of them were offering land mass only. Probably because 2500 gt is such an absurdly small percentage of total mass and they are hoping to dazzle people with the word "gigaton" without offering context.

>>16073582
As I said, you're too retarded to understand what is happening

>>16073622
It's funny how you're backpedaling from:
>ice is up a fraction of a fraction of a percent! global warming averted!
to
>okay its warming... b-b-but it's not THAT bad!

>>16073725

>>16073486
>post good news about the environment
>people who claim they like the environment chimp out and start screeching and reeeeeing
its almost if they don't like the environment at all

>>16079832

You are retards. You are retards. You are RETARDS.

>>16073501
Those oscillations are normal.

>>16073486

>>16080567
?

>>16078486
environmentalists get angry at good news about the environment because they base their identity around their outspoken concern for the environment, if everything is fine their environmental virtue signalling become blatantly retarded.

>>16080590
Isn't it funny how environmentalists are all urbanites? If they like the environment so much why do they want to live in a one place where nature is completely destroyed?

>>16081881

>>16073501
>the oscillations around the average are more pronounced
more pronounced than what? than the oscillations in the by definition smoothed average line?

>>16073548

>>16080589
>t. low iq

>>16073486
>Arctic ice accumulation is above average for this time of year
The globalists (jews) will pick another metric, e.g. there will be a temperature record for 1AM on the 3rd of July in the Chicago hood, which disproportionately affects niggers.

>>16083799
Are you kidding? That's what climate change deniers do. Prime example >>16082782

>the amount of ice in the arctic at the coldest part of the year doesn't change much.
No shit dumbass.
Late winter sea ice extent means nothing.
Show summer sea ice extent compared to the 30/40 year average or early winter (October-Dec) sea ice.

>>16085511
>>16085471
Why does seeing good news about the environment make you so angry?

>>16073501
YOU DIE FIRST

>>16073486
>extent
I expected it to be this and yet I was still disappointed. Superficial measures favoured by superficial people, I suppose.

>>16085915
Why is your "good news" always lies that only idiots would fall for? Why do you keep falling for it?

>>16087389
>ITS A CONSPIRACY!!
Sure, the EU Meteorological Satellite group is totally conspiring to pull a fast one on you
https://www.psycom.net/paranoid-schizophrenia

>>16073486
>no source

>>16088460
the source is printed on the image

>>16087695
>Antarctic sea ice extent is 2% greater now than it was in the 1970s
how is this possible if global warming is real?

>>16073501
>global warming
LMAO

>>16087695
Since when is the amount of anything measured in square kilometres? Shouldn't they use km^3? Fake and gay.

>>16089163
>i'm smarter than the EU's meteorological group
you aren't

>>16089049
>how is this possible if global warming is real?
It isn't

>>16091673
thats ok because global warming isn't real

>>16073548
>climate.nasa.gov
thats a government propaganda agency, not a scientific organization

>>16073486
Just don't stop behaving now, it took an real shitload of work to lower emmisions and enabling this.

>>16073501
>why are there no oscillations on a smoothed average?
the absolute state of this retard
>>16073548
>quick, someone apply for funds for the 1234263th 18trillion parameter model

>>16087695
Heres is yet another example of good news about the environment that sends the so-called environmentalists into screeching fits of rage.
Why does good news about the environment make environmentalists so angry?

>>16095070
>Why does good news about the environment make environmentalists so angry?
because they don't care about the environment, they care about using their feigned concern about the environment as a means of wielding political power

>>16087068
>2005 to 2024
Ok, but is this graph any different than, say, 1980 to 2005?
Science says it is>>16073526

>>16095070
Lies and misrepresentation are not "good news"

>>16096941
The antarctic is gaining on average 8000 square km of sea ice every winter, why does that upset you so badly?

>>16097361
Global warming shills get upset when they see good news about the environment because that threatens their ulterior motives for shilling the global warming hoax. They want to have a disaster so that they can capitalize on it

>>16097361
That's not true, or if it is, prove it.

>>16099427
https://i.4cdn.org/sci/1710919067749798.png

>>16100209
OK, that pretty much proves its, thanks. Good to know that Antarctica is accumulating so much ice every year.

>>16073548
if 10% of antarctica really melted, why is there no sea level rise?

>>16102302
oy vey stop noticing, goy

When the Arctic sea ice melts completely and then grows to 1 square meter, retards like OP will yell "INFINITE SEA ICE GROWTH, GLOBAL WARMING SCAM1!!!1!"

>>16073486
And that is after all the data "massaging" and redefinition of terms the climate scammers do to try to cover the sun with a finger.

>>16103094
Why does it upset you that theres just as much sea ice now as there was 24 years ago? Why doesn't that make you happy?

>>16098721
They need something to cry about so they can have an excuse to be bossy and demanding because they have no rational reasons for their demands

>>16073486
The ice extent is still way below the 1981-2010 average, add those data points, then try again

>>16106682
no it isn't, there was more ice in the arctic during the 1980s than there is now

>>16107366
got that backwards, I mean that there is more ice in the arctic now than there was in the 1980s

>>16087695
>sea ice coverage in the antarctic has been increasing by 8000 square km annually since 1980
is this global warming?

>>16107366
Now do for the full years

>>16103094
Weird how the argument is now either the two extremes of "it doesn't exist" like OP thinks or "we're all doomed and dead and its hopeless" like you're implying
Almost like both of these viewpoints are fucking stupid and the answer is in the middle

>Oh noes
>Not the iced caparinos

>>16109204
Why does it upset you that there is more ice now than there was in the 1980s, shouldn't you be happy about that?

>>16073500
>screenshot this
is he expecting AI-enslaved survivors in a post WW4 nuclear wasteland to dig up a screenshot and go "damn, guess he was right after all"

>>16110262
Why does it upset you to show the full years?

>>16109239
Global warming doesn't exist, its a hoax

Arctic sea ice continues to accumulate

>good news
OH BOY, MORE ICE
I CAN"T WAIT UNTIL THE TEMPERATURE DROPS BY 10 DEGREES AND 3/4s of the EARTH BECOMES PERMANENTLY FROZEN

>>16111661
>oy vey muh crops!!!
>muh precious crops muffugguh!!!
kys
if it gets cold we can just eat polar bears, they thrive in the cold

>>16111667
I ate walrus a few times. Its great stuff, theres lots of good things to eat that do well in cold temperatures. Seal meat is also excellent.

>>16111644
>Arctic sea ice 400,000 square km greater than average
Are the environmentalists of /sci/ happy to see this information or does seeing increase arctic sea ice upset them?

>>16113449

Anything good upsets them.

>>16111644
It got warmer from January to March in the northern hemisphere, ice ball earth soon.

Yes global warming is real. No your governments won't change the weather until they have converted every chud on the internet into global warming believers first.

>>16113877
It's the people they vote for that block action. You should look into the companies making donations to the politicians who are blocking action and see if you can find a common thread.

>>16114152
See this is what I mean. There are people out there who actually think voting impacts policy.

>>16114229
>Politicians don't write policy
You must be trolling. Nobody can be that stupid.

>>16114322
Fart on me.

I'm trying releasing.

Trust.me.on two things.

I know the cure. I know little things which makes massive difference. I know the emergency has a emergency reaction which just makes it a loud event.

>>16080276
And so are mass extension events

>>16114322
So you are illiterate as well

>>16114325
>>16114337
Take your meds

>>16113853
Its warmer this afternoon than it was early this morning
Is this global warming?
can this trend be expected to continue forever?

>>16111644
Where's all the major newspaper headlines jumping for joy over the fact that Arctic sea ice is far above average and continuing to grow?

>arctic sea ice extent virtually the same as it was 40 years ago
Is this global warming?

>>16118096
that explains why sea level isn't rising.

>>16118096
those soience pinheads really picked a poorly worded title for that chart

Theres a ton more ice in the Sea of Okhotsk now than there was 40 years ago. How is this possible if the globe is really warming? Looks like the Bothnian Bay iced over too, which didn't happen in the 1980s, theres more ice in the Kara Sea too

>>16118096
This image actually shows that sea ice is drastically decreasing if you have enough brain cells to read a legend.

>>16120323
This. Scientific literacy is woefully inadequate.

>>16073486

maybe space debree went past satellite camera and data varies from median

https://youtu.be/sGy3lTFpy8s

>>16121231
good video
everyone should watch it

>>16120323
No it doesn't, it shows that there is more Arctic sea ice now than there was in 1984, 40 years ago, which in turn proves that global warming is not occurring

>>16121898
Why can't you read a graph?

>>16111644
>The Arctic currently has 10% more ice than the long term average
Is this global warming?

>>16123109
>just you wait, the arctic is going to be ice free any day now!!!
>then you'll be sorry!!!

https://youtu.be/LF7pUUd7IXk

Stunning "recovery"

>>16125412
>source: government propaganda

>>16073501
>global warming
I thought you changed it to climate change to fit your religion better

>>16126394
>Everything don't like is propaganda

>>16127107
>I can't complete a short sentence without messing up stupidly and embarrassing myself
Why not? Is your IQ too low to complete the task correctly?

>>16127962
Just writing for your intellectual level.

>>16110304
You're talking about someone whose existential beliefs were forever settled by 80s scifi-horror movies and the Nuclear Ghandi civ meme

>>16073486
Look, just fuck off with all this climate change bullshit. From BOTH sides. You are all idiots. There is so much other shit happening that it is almost irrelevant whether climate change, or whatever term it carries now, is real or not.
Biodiversity loss, habitat destruction, over grazing, over fishing, not to mention atmospheric, ground and water pollution are more important threats and furthermore are undeniably real.
Sometime I think this obsession with climate change is just being used as a smokescreen to distract people from thinking about the consequences of the actual environmental problems that exist. Climate change is vague, its uncertain, its open to debate. A great way to tie people up in knots pissing around arguing for decades to come while more plastic shit is dumped into oceans, as more water tables are contaminated, and more species go extinct.

Besides all that climate change is also irrelevant for reasons most normies and Greta fans ignore: If man made Climate change is real and disaster looms then there is fuck we can do about it. Why? Because China and India. That's why. Try getting those locusts to change. If on the other hand catastrophic climate change is entirely natural then there is still fuck all we can do about it, so suck it up.

>>16126647
shut up tard

>Climate scientists and politician allies: The climate is an incredibly complex periodic stochastic thermodynamic system. There are literally hundreds of variables at play.
>Also scientists and politician allies: Really only one variable, CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, significantly influence temperatures.
One should always be extremely skeptical when people boil very complex systems down to one variable. It's like having a large pool of data that is scattered across a graph in a very complex way and then simply drawing a straight line through it and calling it good.

According to the idea gas law, if the atmosphere was trapping more energy then it would just expand instead of getting hotter. Thats why tropopause is lower at night than it is during daytime.

>>16129341
Incorrect.

>>16129247
Why would you assume that the system hasn't been studied extensively? The reason CO2 is focused on is because the scale of CO2 emissions make it the dominant driver of climate change. Moreover, when you hear people talk about carbon dioxide they often mean the carbon dioxide equivalent as calculated using the global warming potential of all greenhouse gas emissions over a specific time horizon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_potential

>>16129455
Whats the albedo value of a plant that absorbs solar radiation completely and doesn't reemit it at any frequency and instead convert the solar radiation to chemical potential that can be stored for over a billion years? Is that an extraordinarily low albedo less than 0 because of the degree of absorption or is it a high albedo more than 1 because of the total lack of reradiation?

>>16129513
That's not how photosynthesis works.

>>16129547
yes it is

>>16129971
No it isn't. Go be a retard somewhere else.

>>16130321
you have no idea how photosynthesis works.

>>16130879
Here you go, retard. Notice how the energy is not stored for billions of years, but is used by the plant to live and grow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis
>To use the chemical energy stored in these organic compounds, the organisms' cells metabolize the organic compounds through another process called cellular respiration.

>>16130879
>>16130975
You know what? Fuck it. Let's pretend that plants violate thermodynamics and store all of the chemical energy they photosynthesize for billions of years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthetic_efficiency
>5.4% net leaf efficiency.
So if you covered every square in h of the Earth you would still have 94.6% of the energy of the sun.

>Photosynthesis increases linearly with light intensity at low intensity, but at higher intensity this is no longer the case (see Photosynthesis-irradiance curve). Above about 10,000 lux or ~100 watts/square meter the rate no longer increases. Thus, most plants can only use ~10% of full mid-day sunlight intensity.[6] This dramatically reduces average achieved photosynthetic efficiency in fields compared to peak laboratory results.
Oh wait, that's more like 99.46% of the energy from the sun. And that's if all the land and sea were completely covered with photosynthetic mass. Even if photosynthesis worked the way you think it does, which it doesn't, photosynthetic efficiency is so low that it doesn't matter anyways.

>>16073486
>local weather anomaly

>>16131430
theres only two polar regions and they're both accumulating more ice than they have in the recent past

>>16130879
>>16130975
>>16130993
No response? Pathetic.

>>16130975
>>16130993
>wikipedia
you're pretty much admitting you have no education on the topic if thats your only reference. you just went with the inevitable first search engine result and declared yourself an expert after reading two sentences of it in class dunning kruger fashion.

>Let's pretend that plants violate thermodynamics
you've never even passed freshman level thermodynamics

>>16132962
By failing to form a cogent argument you're pretty much admitting you have no education on the topic.

Try harder, you pathetic faggot.

>>16089049
Global warming isn't real

>>16134102
Retard take

>>16073486
>Seems like the global warming doomsday scenarios that so many scientists have been predicting aren't coming true, isn't that great news?
No, it doesn't, it means there is natural variability, but the trend keeps decreasing: if you look back the data from 2000 to 1978, you'll see that this year's cover is below all those other years.
https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/seaice/

>>16089049
>>Antarctic sea ice extent is 2% greater now than it was in the 1970s
are you sure?
https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/seaice/

>>16096929
>because they don't care about the environment
STFU you suicidal psycho, speak for yourself only

>>16134771
>>16134758
>the global warming institute
thats a political propaganda website, not a legitimate source of scientific information

>>16135202
It's not automatically a propaganda website just because you say it is.

>>16135325
>>16135325
>the global warming institute
>funded by the federal USA.ZOG government
its a political propaganda website

>>16135202
Please talk to a therapist. Take care, human, I wish you well.

>>16135586
>oy vey the world is coming to an end because of CO2
>everyone who disagrees with me is mentally ill
nice projection, schizo

>>16135348
Why can't global warming faggots ever find any information on their topic that doesn't come from ethically compromised sources?

>>16135202
>>16135348
>>16136439
>>16137098
Take your meds.

>>16132962
Wikipedia should be banned from /sci/
Doing so would rid us of most of the pseuds and midwits that want to post here

>>16073486
>le area meme

>>16138345
Cope harder

>>16138358
why does it upset you to see that the amount of ice in the arctic is substantially above average?

>>16138975
>amount of ice
>area
You will never be a scientist.

>>16138975
it upsets me that you're retarded

>>16136439
anon is right, please seek help. stop being stubborn, it's for your own good

>>16138975
look, open your eyes and look:
>>16134758

>>16136439
>>everyone who disagrees with me is mentally ill
that was not what I said. I said you're being paranoid to think that sources demonstrating, empirically, global warming effects are propaganda websites. That's what your problem is.
You have trust issues, traumas from your past that manifests in that way. Please got talk to a therapist, try betterhelp, for example, it's affordable.

>>16139549
>the global warming institute
thats a political propaganda website, not a legitimate source of scientific information

Holy shit Michael Mann and Tony Heller are gonna 1v1 on Twitter
https://youtu.be/H02xhcv555Y

>>16073501
no im from the arctic it is still just as cold as 30 years ago ok thnx for listening to my ted talk

>>16141481
as you can see here the russians have infiltrated the us naval institute and these nuclear powered icebreakers are merely soviet tricks ok

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2022/may/worlds-most-capable-icebreakers-russias-new-arktika-class

>>16141236
epic

>>16073486
You guys still believe this shit? They tweak the data to make you scientists dance around like monkeys to produce whatever results they wanted from the start. You're paper pushers and you know it. If you don't collect your own data, you're a fraud. You're controlled by money and by the government like the puppet you are.

>>16141491
Those boats are epic. Nice to see someone found a use for nuclear power beyond aircraft carriers and submarines