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>baaaby BAAABY baaaby BAAABY baaaby BAAABY baaaby BAAABY baaaby BAAABY baaaby BAAABY baaaby BAAABY baaaby BAAABY
YEAEEEAEAEAAHH

>> No.10908258

I hate vocals in video game music

>> No.10908271

>>10908232
I'm glad more people are realizing that reload is trash and too easy.

>> No.10908385

>>10908271
implying OG is not trash

>> No.10908391

>>10908385
You are right, is not.

>> No.10908590

>>10908391
>allies are controlled by bad computer decisions, this is le difficulty

>> No.10908657
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>>10908232
Lookin' good!

>> No.10908818

>>10908590
>Persona is Megaten but casual
>Is that a character controlled by AI? I'M MEEELTIIING

>> No.10909057

>>10908590
persona 3 requires you to go too long between saves for the ai to be considered bad. it's a 90 hour game. sorry, but it mostly works.

>> No.10909061

this is an M rated hame but the graphics look like a HM game

>> No.10909205

>>10908271
true, more people are coming to realize P3P is the best version
>b-b-but muh FEShit?!
as the name says it's SHIT

>> No.10909260

>>10908232
games that dont let you control your teammates are bad games

>> No.10909356
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>>10909260
That's not true: Dragon Quest 4 or Secret of Mana are example of acclaimed jrpgs where you don't control directly your mates. The game is also balanced about that limitation. Besides, the port 'fixed' that for you, but I don't really see the point.

>> No.10909362

>>10909260
this is a dumb opinion, but it makes me wonder: is persona 3 the hardest game where you can't control your party members?

>> No.10909376

>>10909362
you have literally to select knock down to attack and support/heal when you want a buff or healing. it's not hard and only retards get filtered by the lack of direct commands.

>> No.10909642

>UH YEAH
>DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA
>BABY BABY
>DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA
>BABY BABY
>DA DA DA DA DA DA
>ITSAWAKEUPTGONAFIGHTTENOCLOKCOFUSHINROUNDSAROUNDSROLLOVATHISENEMYISBRUTALMOMENTOFBRUTALMASSDESTRUCTION

>> No.10909664

I kind of like the idea that your party members are their own people and you can't control them in an rpg. I don't get why people hate the idea so bad. Probably another example of people conflating the idea with the execution

>> No.10909668

>>10909664
because they're not people. they're just npc models programmed to do different things. at least in games where you control your party, including pre-3 persona, you had more control over what you can do and not be in baby mode, even though JRPGs are for babies anyway

>> No.10909673

>>10909668
They are people. They're my friends and I love them.

>> No.10909676

>>10909668
AI will fix this

>> No.10909678

>>10909673
they're not people. they're pixels on a screen. 3D renders. they don't exist

>> No.10909684

>>10909678
>they're not people. they're pixels on a screen. 3D renders. they don't exist

the game in question is a dating sim. if you cant accept the people in the game as valid, you aren't the target audience.

>> No.10909685

>>10908258
I don't mind if it makes the song stand out. Also, at the time it came out, most games did not have j-pop soundtracks so something like this really was unique to the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ko-0jUzF4U

>> No.10909691

>>10909664
>I kind of like the idea that your party members are their own people and you can't control them in an rpg. I don't get why people hate the idea so bad.
Because they're really fucking stupid and an active detriment if you play at anything higher than normal. Not retro but it's like when people say "I don't know why people complain about Sheva's AI in RE5, she did everything she was supposed to for me". Those people didn't play on Professional.

>> No.10909702

>>10909691
See the next sentence of my post

>> No.10909708

>>10909702
Yeah and guess what, execution is like the single most important aspect of something succeeding or failing. If it wasn't then IN THEORY Gundam Seed Destiny has a really good story.

>> No.10909709

>>10909684
>first two games are SMT in high school
>later games are Harvest Moon in high school
this franchise was never good

>> No.10909724

>>10909708
Dude what is wrong with you

>> No.10909736

>>10909724
If you have an idea, but you completely botch the execution to the point that it's a negative on the average player experience, then maybe the act of implementing it was itself not a good idea because you lacked the talent to follow through on it.
I refuse to engage in "it's good on paper" apologist bullshit. Make a better AI if you don't want me having control.

>> No.10909741

>>10909736
the average player is a dumb cunt. the fact that you can beat the game largely without issue means that it works well enough.

>> No.10909746

>>10909741
>the fact that you can beat the game largely without issue
Now put the game on Hard

>> No.10909748

>>10909736
Do you think I'm defending persona 3 or something? I don't understand this outburst. This seems like a weirdly sore topic for you.

>> No.10909754

>>10909746
Or just play The Answer

>> No.10909760

>>10909748
>Do you think I'm defending persona 3 or something?
You're certainly defending the idea behind the characters being uncontrollable >>10909664

>> No.10909764

>>10909668
>at least in games where you control your party, including pre-3 persona, you had more control over what you can do and not be in baby mode
Innocent Sin is arguably the easiest game in the series because of how overpowered it is to be able to change out everyone's persona on top of in general being easier than P1/EP

>> No.10909765

>>10909760
Man I'm checking out

>> No.10909780

>>10908271
All I came to realize is most people are nostalgia-filled nitpicky bitches because outside of remakes that legitimately ruined that made the original good like the Turtles in TIme one, they're usually just being whiny bitches who would've loved said remake if it came out 20 years ago.

>> No.10909794

>>10909764
but that wasn't due to th eability to control your whole party. a good difficult JRPG would know how to balcance the game better and actually make you be able to control your entire team and having to use them really well in order to win. 3-5 just takes control away from the player.

>> No.10909806

>>10909780
Nigger, this remake adds fucking limit breaks to a game where there were none. Predictably, it blows a giant fucking hole in the game's difficulty.

>> No.10909810

>>10909806
I don't consider a game bad just because it's easy. Every Kirby game is easy as shit and they're all good games.

>> No.10909813

>>10909810
This isn't just an easy game. It's a remake of a game that makes it infinitely easier. Context matters.

>> No.10909825

>>10909754
A lack of being able to control your party members is only the fucking tip of The Answer's iceberg, anon
>has some of the worst cases of Tutorial Preta of any Atlus game.
>lets you have any party makeup from the start, so instead expects you to just know what combination to bring to each specific area
>no compendium so fusing anything good takes 10x longer
>says it's locked into Hard difficulty but this is actually a lie, it's actually a halfway between Hard and P3P's later Maniac diffculty because the AI is smarter than it is on The Journey's Hard

>> No.10909832

>>10909825
>Tutorial Preta
?????

>> No.10909842
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>>10909832
Nocturne's Hard difficulty can fuck you over really fucking bad in the first hour not because of anything you did wrong but because of sheer RNG due to enemies having a higher chance of both ambushing you and critting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08ejOVVens

>> No.10909847

>>10909842
Okay, but what's a tutorial preta?

>> No.10909849

>>10909847
It's a Preta you are forced to fight as the second battle of the game as part of the tutorial.

>> No.10909854

>>10909849
Oh forgot to say, the reason it's infamous is because they either forgot to take out the ability for the enemy to Ambush and Crit you IN A TUTORIAL BATTLE, or they're just assholes.

>> No.10909856

>>10909849
Ah, I vaguely remember this from V. Didn't know it was a series staple.

>> No.10909871

>>10909856
It's not, Nocturne is really fucking bad about it but usually SMT waits until the first boss before it hands you the lube and says to bend over.
fuck you Walter, you agi-casting piece of shit

>> No.10911126

>>10909685
Shit is so good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjNYJGHB2Ss&list=PLSTGnKiOrGu6AjKEao_YeNd1dU1izbH41&index=72

>> No.10911681

>>10908271
>and too easy
all smt and persona games are easy. smt1 literally has one spell you can cheese entire game. wow such hard
nusona games worthless for discussion on /vr/ anyway

>> No.10911684
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>>10909684

>> No.10911829

>>10911681
I like how they act all uppity when their games are just wizardry for casuals weebs.

>> No.10911961

>>10908818
no the story fell flat on its face

>> No.10912336

>>10909746
>the game is hard on hard mode
Wow imagine my shock. You're complaining about something only the most autistic fan boys will experience. Most will play it on normal and not bitch about it or just plau the remake because they aren't mentally ill like you.

>> No.10914224

>>10908258
>t. autist